tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7054895229751317673.post6586139190993399149..comments2023-08-08T12:56:23.709+05:30Comments on RESEARCH: Can't Let GoSurajit Dasguptahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03678536841163806350noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7054895229751317673.post-14548479431174080632008-09-25T23:18:00.000+05:302008-09-25T23:18:00.000+05:30Not every man is equal, and not every religion.I w...Not every man is equal, and not every religion.<BR/>I will opt for no religion, for then there will be no opposing sects of human. But that would require me to prove that religion is not required.<BR/>For that to be done, I must know all the religions, and God they are not same, and then I can prove.<BR/>But if any religion blanket bans any such proofs, outlaws doubts about God and doctrine, thenAbodhBalokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14903850645943843330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7054895229751317673.post-35829651471568617132008-09-10T13:25:00.000+05:302008-09-10T13:25:00.000+05:30http://www.orkut.co.in/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=23304940&...http://www.orkut.co.in/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=23304940&tid=5237553295687014348&na=1&nst=1Surajit Dasguptahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03678536841163806350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7054895229751317673.post-82445926348098465732008-09-01T13:58:00.000+05:302008-09-01T13:58:00.000+05:30Much better! No, Sandeep, this last comment of you...Much better! No, Sandeep, this last comment of yours wasn't uneducated. Nor do I disagree with it. But I would certainly like to make my stand clear on the issue of secularism, especially on this statement of yours:<BR/><BR/>"First solution is "One religion". Second solution is "No Religion". Third solution is "have your religions but don't object to others even if they do" (this is what Gandhi Surajit Dasguptahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03678536841163806350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7054895229751317673.post-24785362132511473262008-08-30T21:05:00.000+05:302008-08-30T21:05:00.000+05:30here it goes again!let me continue my "uneducated ...here it goes again!<BR/><BR/>let me continue my "uneducated line of parity" again the "educated line of favoritism".<BR/><BR/>My brother once told me very casually. "There is no Unity in Diversity". Its a contradiction. Hence its true.<BR/><BR/>The previous post of mine concentrated on religion because IT IS THE CENTER OF KASHMIR PROBLEM. So i believe that it wasn't a waste. <BR/><BR/>Pakistan Sandeephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18036946088782255980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7054895229751317673.post-77965529897876403972008-08-30T19:18:00.000+05:302008-08-30T19:18:00.000+05:30Many people are following this debate. I am worrie...Many people are following this debate. I am worried that this digression could put them off. However, a thing that the following comment will make clear is that I am pitted against an innocent (but, maybe well-intentioned) child. If the onlookers want to bring the debate back on track, they must intervene by writing.<BR/><BR/>I have a lot of bones to pick from the last comment above. Still, this Surajit Dasguptahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03678536841163806350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7054895229751317673.post-4045960356299493692008-08-30T00:42:00.000+05:302008-08-30T00:42:00.000+05:30ha ha ha..boy, this debate is getting far more int...ha ha ha..boy, this debate is getting far more interesting than i thought...<BR/><BR/>do u realize how much of hatred has been hibernating underground.<BR/><BR/>Religion has just divided humans. There is no other single idea that has done so much of harm to Huamns (which i use for animals who excercise there right to "think"). Virtually all present human problems (including Kashmir) find its Sandeephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18036946088782255980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7054895229751317673.post-25303410335918888622008-08-29T13:14:00.000+05:302008-08-29T13:14:00.000+05:30A typical debate with a Muslim theologian (Azhar H...A typical debate with a Muslim theologian (Azhar Hawa) — <BR/><BR/>Click on: <A HREF="http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=23304940&tid=2562657726847687021" REL="nofollow">Why should Muslims be blamed for terrorism?</A><BR/><BR/>It shows that when non-Muslims raise questions on practices (behaviour of the community), Muslims provide clarifications on religious theories (the Qur'an, the Hadith, Surajit Dasguptahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03678536841163806350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7054895229751317673.post-22918967051474655932008-08-28T16:39:00.000+05:302008-08-28T16:39:00.000+05:301. The idea I mooted has nothing to do with reserv...1. The idea I mooted has nothing to do with reservation. It is less about recruiting and more about placing strategically those who have already been recruited in various jobs (inside the Kashmir valley). As such, I am opposed to quotas of all kinds.<BR/><BR/>While Article 370 ensures that Kashmir's Muslims get preferential treatment in employment within the valley, the natures of work are not asSurajit Dasguptahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03678536841163806350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7054895229751317673.post-82313976409679596482008-08-28T12:51:00.001+05:302008-08-28T12:51:00.001+05:30@surajitI agree with the concept of inter-caste, i...@surajit<BR/><BR/>I agree with the concept of inter-caste, inter-religion marriage as a unifier. It is in fact the only unifier as i see.<BR/><BR/>But i would oppose any reservation for Kashmiri in any job, be it public or private. Instead would advocate for more public-private partnership in Kashmir based industry. The private money can flow from Indian companies and i could see a good profit Sandeephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18036946088782255980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7054895229751317673.post-14150665512433295132008-08-28T12:51:00.000+05:302008-08-28T12:51:00.000+05:30Not really. If the ratio must be 1:9 (1 point agai...Not really. If the ratio must be 1:9 (1 point against India and 9 against its detractors), my ratio was much less 'biased'. I did mention India's hegemony in Sri Lanka. If there have been more mistakes this country has committed, I would like to know them from a 'non-partial' ('impartial') source like you. As for me, I have been following political news since the early 1980s, pre-dating the Surajit Dasguptahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03678536841163806350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7054895229751317673.post-70187491325222084092008-08-28T12:34:00.000+05:302008-08-28T12:34:00.000+05:30The link was not an "ignorant mistake", instead it...The link was not an "ignorant mistake", instead it was a deliberate trap. Now you can see how you selectively focused on particular issues. Do i get my point clear here.<BR/><BR/>The problem is what goes into your posts. Partial behavior. I hope i am becoming clear now.Sandeephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18036946088782255980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7054895229751317673.post-76827911994104380102008-08-28T11:56:00.000+05:302008-08-28T11:56:00.000+05:30Thank you, Sandeep. By hurriedly uploading the URL...Thank you, Sandeep. By hurriedly uploading the URL to the Human Rights Watch website (most probably without reading it), you have helped my cause rather than yours. The HRW site has one point against the Government of India and several against Punjab's (erstwhile) militants, viz.,<BR/><BR/>I. Instance against GOI:<BR/>1. "Abuses by Indian Government Forces"<BR/>II. Instances against Punjab's Surajit Dasguptahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03678536841163806350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7054895229751317673.post-19864544571244942782008-08-28T11:42:00.000+05:302008-08-28T11:42:00.000+05:30I am not quite able to understand Sandeep's stand....I am not quite able to understand Sandeep's stand. While you advocate "peaceful coexistence", you at the same time would be okay with the cessation of Kashmir. But do you realize that it is much easier to give very "neutral" statements than to come up with something that states your stand categorically?<BR/><BR/>Kashmir belongs to India at present and therefore, India has a right over it (at Chaitalihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04107875891164057947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7054895229751317673.post-90486286715891704132008-08-28T01:27:00.000+05:302008-08-28T01:27:00.000+05:30This is really going hilarious. Nirmal mentioned q...This is really going hilarious. Nirmal mentioned quite sensibly whats wrong in the argument of Surajit. <BR/><BR/>We can see "partial behavior" clearly. <BR/><BR/>I also mentioned previously that this "partial attitude" kills the whole purpose of finding a solution and in facts it is the main reason for maintaining the hostilities. Same kind of partial behavior can be seen from other side and warSandeephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18036946088782255980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7054895229751317673.post-90018330100192873682008-08-27T19:26:00.000+05:302008-08-27T19:26:00.000+05:30This is a much better premise to argue for or agai...This is a much better premise to argue for or against. Indeed, these were the thoughts that did occur to me while presenting my arguments. To do justice to the line of debate Nirmal pursues, however, would mean that I shall have to take it to its logical extreme. I’ll begin by addressing Nirmal’s last paragraph.<BR/><BR/>Are we finally looking at a distant future where there are as many countriesSurajit Dasguptahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03678536841163806350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7054895229751317673.post-66525724489998477632008-08-27T16:52:00.000+05:302008-08-27T16:52:00.000+05:30We're still talking in the air. I've still not see...We're still talking in the air. I've still not seen one good reason as seen in today's context, let me emphasise Today's Context, why Indians shouldn't let Kashmir secede. We talk about integral parts, security on the international community (no less!), emotional issues, historical issues but nothing that matters on the ground.<BR/>Its as simple as this. Many Kashmiris want to secede. Arguably Nirmalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04200668415971332560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7054895229751317673.post-31662188135211158612008-08-26T15:50:00.000+05:302008-08-26T15:50:00.000+05:30Interestingly, Sandeep, for the very reason that y...Interestingly, Sandeep, for the very reason that you have quoted -- that you are a student of science (and so am I) -- I expected some research stuff from you. But alas! "Most cases are 'x'; therefore, this case cannot be 'y'" is the best argument you could come up with.Surajit Dasguptahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03678536841163806350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7054895229751317673.post-90918253060923867542008-08-26T14:56:00.000+05:302008-08-26T14:56:00.000+05:30I do not wonder to confuse my arguments with neutr...I do not wonder to confuse my arguments with neutrality :) for i don't need to polish anybody intellectual capabilities. People conclude according to their convenience but "universe does not care for your convenience".<BR/><BR/>The problem with most people is they are in "battle" mode for fake purposes and most often its those who would run away when they would be needed for a real battle. This Sandeephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18036946088782255980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7054895229751317673.post-91816751367812454302008-08-26T13:06:00.000+05:302008-08-26T13:06:00.000+05:30It’s good to be neutral. But on rare occasions whe...It’s good to be neutral. But on rare occasions when there is a battle between neutrality and truth, you must choose the latter. For, when you consciously keep a count of how many praises and abuses you are showering on either side in a dispute, and deliberately make them equal in each case, you are overlooking the fact that the two sides may not be right or wrong similarly, identically or equallySurajit Dasguptahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03678536841163806350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7054895229751317673.post-65595394059634404602008-08-25T17:54:00.000+05:302008-08-25T17:54:00.000+05:30I am not surprised again. Its again the blame game...I am not surprised again. Its again the blame game. <BR/><BR/>To every argument, one can blame somebody else and say that "look they do this way, how can you expect me to follow rationality then". <BR/><BR/>Its not difficult to conclude that this way of approaching solutions have manufactured present problems all over the word. Similar kind of argument (which has been mentioned above) can be Sandeephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18036946088782255980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7054895229751317673.post-79227231201222252302008-08-25T15:20:00.000+05:302008-08-25T15:20:00.000+05:30Sorry Sandeep, you are mixing the wrong parts of t...Sorry Sandeep, you are mixing the wrong parts of the issue here. The status quo is not religion-based. It is the proposed separation that would be religion-based. If your solution is "economics", Article 370 is a massive bundle of economic sops and give-aways. Kashmiris buy everything they need at a fraction of the price that the remaining Indians have to shell out to buy the same. A Surajit Dasguptahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03678536841163806350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7054895229751317673.post-47394745754142457252008-08-25T13:34:00.000+05:302008-08-25T13:34:00.000+05:30what itches me most is the "one-sided" way of thin...what itches me most is the "one-sided" way of thinking. Of course no Indian would like to give away Kashmir but how many would "actually" fight for it. I wonder how many of them will actually go and fight for Kashmir. They even fear to be tourists there! I don't believe in any survey based on these spineless cowards.<BR/><BR/>As i have repeatedly said earlier, this is a fight based on religion. Sandeephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18036946088782255980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7054895229751317673.post-39307685227653784842008-08-25T11:36:00.000+05:302008-08-25T11:36:00.000+05:30Well said, Ayush. I had something in the mind last...Well said, Ayush. I had something in the mind last Saturday after reading Sandeep's last comment, but had to leave for some other work that evening.<BR/><BR/>Added to my objection to a religion-based 'solution' that I share with Ayush, I would like to add that the proponents of '<I>AzAdI</I>' are not taking into account the danger of emergence of another Taliban-like regime north of India. Even Surajit Dasguptahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03678536841163806350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7054895229751317673.post-6206571188418884402008-08-24T03:29:00.000+05:302008-08-24T03:29:00.000+05:30When we talk about a 'solution game' , solutions a...When we talk about a 'solution game' , solutions adopted are often not the easiest choices, and saying the only solution to Kashmir issues is being bereft of religion is again beyond the realms of practicality.<BR/>India's Muslim population is larger than the total population of pakistan, and India has never been defined as a state for a particular religion , therefore religion based demographicsayushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13711929131138485421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7054895229751317673.post-23457344543925707442008-08-23T14:57:00.000+05:302008-08-23T14:57:00.000+05:30I must stress that one can either play a "blame ga...I must stress that one can either play a "blame game" or a "solution game". Thats simple to understand. <BR/><BR/>Realities cannot be modified according to our convenience. Brainwashing exists both sides, its just a matter of convenience that we blame the other side since its incompatible to our kind of brainwashing.<BR/><BR/>Since 1947 both sides have been playing blame game. The result is Sandeephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18036946088782255980noreply@blogger.com